The mesmerist hits with the sap, and deals enough nonlethal damage with the sap to raise the total amount of nonlethal damage taken by the mage above their hit points, and so part of the damage dealt is treated as lethal damage as per the nonlethal damage rules. What type of damage does this Painful Stare do? Do they get to choose what type of damage the Painful Stare does?ġ.2 EX: A mage with the spell Ablative Barrier up is attacked by a mesmerist wielding a sap. What type of damage is the Painful Stare if the triggering attack deals both lethal and nonlethal damage?ġ.1 EX: A magus attacks with spellstrike, hitting and dealing damage with both a lethal weapon attack and the spell Frostbite simultaneously. Lets say for the time being that I accept this though - that still leaves some grey areas and the question ability damage unaddressed.ġ. I'll defer my judgement on the issue until I have a chance to read through that thread in its entirety. Mhmm, I was there when it was written (and concluded). Laegrim wrote: That would be a contentious topic in it's own right - at least I seem to remember at least one lengthy thread debating it. The interaction between nonlethal damage and Painful Stare is the primary topic of the thread, but, given there hasn't been much recent discussion on the topic, it's worth opening the floor to discussing what constitutes "an attack that hits" in the context of Painful Stare as well. The wordings "additional" and "increase his own damage" could indicate that Painful Stare does the type of damage of the triggering attack, but the lack of clarity could also indicate that the intent was for the ability to trigger off of hit point damage alone.
In addition it's unclear what type of damage Painful Stare would do in the case of nonlethal damage (or ability damage). The section detailing nonlethal damage calls it out as "not “real” damage". This might also open the door to triggering off of ability damage though. Nonlethal damage is, technically, a form of damage. A mesmerist can trigger this ability only once per round, but a single creature can take damage from multiple mesmerists’ painful stares in a round.Ībilities that trigger off of hit point damage exclusively tend to specify "hit point damage", and Painful Stare just says "deals damage". This damage is precision damage and is not multiplied on a critical hit. If the mesmerist uses this ability to increase his own damage, the additional damage increases by 1d6 points for every 3 class levels the mesmerist possesses.
CRIMSON SHROUD AND NON LETHAL DAMAGE FREE
The mesmerist can use this ability as a free action, and can use it even if it isn’t his turn. Painful Stare (Su): wrote: When an attack that deals damage hits the target of a mesmerist’s hypnotic stare, the mesmerist can cause the target to take an amount of additional damage equal to 1/2 the mesmerist’s class level (minimum 1).
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